Versace: if we trap him in his own strip club, he might not be able to get us
Pudgie: if we wanted to see if he was going to destroy us, we could go in the future, but we'd have to be in the strip club too
Versace: is mark mobius's strip club 3D-YouTube?
Pudgie: mobius is not an answer
it is a question answered by a question
answered by another question
Versace: are we just pasties on his mobius’s strippers tits?
Pudgie: mobius is beyond our reality..
where "all is branson" we have an analogue for mobius..
something like "nothing is mobius"
"mobius is not mobius"
mobius is like the set that contains itself..
but does not contain itself
Versace: what is beyond mobius?
Versace: that sounds familiar
Pudgie: well.. mobius is not an invisible elephant
Versace: actually, according to your logic mobius is an invisible elephant
Pudgie: mobius is what it isn't
Versace: if that's the case, then branson may be more powerful than either of us realized
Pudgie: i think branson is the old the new mobius manifestation may not be human or animal it may be structural something big will happen with mobius and the wormhole
Versace: i wonder about our reality tv show idea, and uploading the poor people to the yacht... maybe it was a conspiracy to kill off the old religious prophets...
Pudgie: i was reading a blog post today about the dialectic and hegel and economics.. and synthesis..
so.. i guess we make The New Poor
from The Old Poor
the same but different poor i.e. nouveaux pauvres
Versace: branson represents the opposite of poor though -- he is the material icon
Pudgie: branson is a clown. branson tries to have everything so he may reach the mobius nothing.. but he can never attain nothing he is like the Sisyphus
Versace: i think he is a glitch
mobius may reveal himself as punitive social system
Pudgie: well, just remember, mobius is not the answer mobius is the question
Versace: i have sympathy for branson
Pudgie: answers are tricks
Versace: mobius begs the question
he begs a question
a sun quest
i think mobius is a soda
Pudgie: mobius soda
Versace: my dad used to marinate chicken in mobius
Pudgie: is mark mobius orange soda marinated chicken?
Versace: what if branson is not mobius's main stripper?
Pudgie: i think branson is like a troll-like, faux-mobius construction from thousands of years ago who crawled out of the sludge and tried to be mobius
but he cannot be mobius..
there is no mobius
Versace: what shows us that Branson wants to be nothingness? what is his endless quest (a Sunkist)? is his endless quest a soda?
WHO IS MARK MOBIUS???
Pudgie: WHAT DOES IT WANT?
Versace: i am adrift in the strip club
Pudgie: branson can help us understand mobius.
he isn't totally useless
Versace: i think Branson is the main stripper in the Mark Mobius Strip Club and if we are the pasties, it’s hard for us to have perspective
Pudgie: it is hard to have perspective when you are living in a non-orientable surface name soemthing mobius is.. and then mobius can be made into the "mirror image" whatever that may be
Versace: mobius is a homeo?
Pudgie: if one agrees with the dialectic.. and that we progress by synthesizing opposing concepts into new concepts... what does it mean that one thing can become it's mirror image? does that mean that mobius is the end? mobius is what we eventually will become? is mobius the end of all time?
is mobius where we will end up after time is done
all the collisions have been completed
Versace: does that mean at the mark mobius strip club, the strippers get dressed?
Pudgie: getting dressed is getting undressed and getting undressed is getting dressed in the mobiusstripclubexistenceVersace: every day in mobius is opposite day
what is opposite mobius?
Pudgie: well.. i don't know that opposites really exist in the mobius strip club existence
i think that is the defining characteristic of the mobius
which is also what makes it hard to visualize
it has one "side" instead of two "sides" which is what makes it possible to take one "thing" and turn it into its "mirror image" by moving it along the mobius strip club
a "thing" is its "mirror image" in the mobius strip club
they are the same "thing"
Versace: as if all material existence were on a mirror
Pudgie: well sorta like if you traveled far enough
you became like what you saw in the mirror
you don’t become the reflection, you become more than that
you became what the reflection appeared to be
it is the ultimate through the looking-glass existence
but.. if you can become that thing.. then you already are it
because also you can then "travel far enough" to change back to what you were
Versace: i'm having trouble meshing space time with my reflection
Pudgie: and wikipedia thus spaketh: "the Möbius strip may be considered the source of all non-orientability."
the mobius strip has only one side, not two..
not like if you had taken a sheet of paper and taped the ends together..
that sheet has 2 sides and you could only exist on one or the other
with the mobius strip you twist the sheet of paper and there is one side because you can "travel far enough" to get to any part of the mobius strip
but.. see, you aren't really walking on the mobius strip
you are existing "in" it
that is a mind humper
to us on the outside, "thinking" about this concept of the mobius strip.. we think about sides..
but think of it in the terms of Flatland
where the guy tries to describe what 4D objects would "look like" to us in a 3D world
by using the analogue of saying..
what do 3D objects look like to things that exist in a 2D world
a mobius strip is a 2D world
2D things live there
so really the Mobius Strip Club is like a 3D world
it is a 3D version of the 2D mobius Strip surface
if you "exist in it".. there is no height.. only width and length
you have to move around things be going left or right.. you cannot "jump" over things
you have x and y direction.. but no z direction
if you hit the edge of the mobius strip.. that is it.. you have to turn around.. but oh shit
oh fucking shit the wormhole found me and it is all tieing together...
that's the analogue.. and we already knew this..
if you could see the invisible elephant in your head
instead of just the tail or the foot or the trunk
that is our place in this world.. we have the bits of the elephant..
but not the whole thing